How to Make Tri-pitch Voicebanks?

Raiyux

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I want to make a tri-pitch VCV VB, but there's something I'm confused about... All tri-pitch UTAUs have a folder for each set of recordings. Kire Ritsu's are named like, "G4" and stuff. I guess what I'm trying to ask is... if you put each set of recordings in a different folder and name them like that, do they just automatically work?

Um...that probably made no sense. It's kind of hard to figure out how to put it...

I mean, when you use her, it automatically changes if you shift to the higher or lower notes. You know, without having to type anything special into the lyrics to make it change. So is all you have to do is have separate folders, or do you have to do something else...?

I'm sorry, this is probably a stupid question and I don't know how to ask it. ^^;

Oh, and what about CV tri-pitch? You just use the arrows? ...But then you have to manually input the arrows by copy/paste or whatever you aliased them with. Aah, I don't know! XD
 
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KitWistful

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If you want UTAU to switch the recordings automatically, then I think what you're looking for is a prefix map ^o^ It can be found right in UTAU, in Tools/edit prefix.map. In that dialog, you can assign a suffix for each note.

It doesn't matter what directories or symbols you use, as long as the aliases for each pitch share a suffix, ex. ↑↓☆. So, for example, you can alias all of your G4 recordings with ↑ at the end, and all of your A3 recordings with ↓ at the end. It doesn't have to be an arrow/symbol specifically either, I've seen multipitch banks aliased with the note names at the end, like, "あA3".

I wish you luck! *salute*
 

Raiyux

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Okay so I've gotten my whole tripitch VB recorded and it all works fine, but I feel silly to say that I'm still confused about the pitches and the prefix map...

Everything works UNTIL I do the prefix map. I mean, up until I assign the notes, it just plays the first thing I oto. Afterwards, no sound will come out.

All of my recording sets end in the note they were recorded in, so I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Unless...

Unless all of the recordings aren't supposed to be separated? Because I have each set in its own folder. Should they not be? I only modeled that off of Ritsu's VB because his seems to work that way. Mine doesn't, however. So I have to be doing something wrong... ^^;

EDIT: OH! You have to put it in the alias, too! I got it. My bad. XD
 
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Just to make sure you have it all down, basically here's what a multi-pitch bank should look like.

Main folder:
Main pitch
OTO of main pitches

Extra pitch folder:
Extra pitch (But still named normally - they're still just "ka" and such, not "kaA3".
OTO of extra pitches (THIS is where you add the alias - in the oto, ka in folder A3 would look like A3/ka.wav alias=kaA3 or so.)

Repeat with all extra folders.

Finally, in the prefix map, decide where you want your extra pitches to start/stop and enter in the suffix in those spots.


Hopefully that's what you did~
 

Raiyux

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Yes, thank you! I think I did it right because everything works fine, now~ ^^
I was just a little confused with the whole prefix map thing and all that fun stuff, lol.
 
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FastSpeedy

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Twilight Tulip link said:
How would I know what pitches to record at? Would I go up an octave, a step, a half-step?

It is advised to make each pitch not too separated from the other. Making them about 4 or 5 semi-tones apart is good enough (like recording A2 and D3). Do that to prevent distortion from pitch to pitch.
 

Twilight Tulip

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FastSpeedy link said:
It is advised to make each pitch not too separated from the other. Making them about 4 or 5 semi-tones apart is good enough (like recording A2 and D3). Do that to prevent distortion from pitch to pitch.
Ah, I see.

Also, I still don't quite understand the set-up of multi-pitch banks. So, you record the different octaves, then you place them in their seperate folders, edit their prefixes or something, and they automatically work? You don't have to do it by hand? I've seen a few usts with those up and down arrows, I assumed that was how you got the different pitches in there, and the folders thing totally threw me off. Sorry if I sound dumb, like I said, I'm really new to multi-pitch banks.
 

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Well, with multipitch there's two options. If they're just pitch shifts, no change in tone (Like it's just a higher note, same voice, not a Sakebi/Kire tone), I highly recommend using a prefix map to set it up. Samura Tomi I feel is a good well-known example of this, her tone only really changed at the highest pitch and even then it goes into it well due to the prefix map. However, if it has a tone change, I think it's more optional. Ritsu Kire has one, Teto Sakebi does not (at least I think she doesn't). And even with Ritsu's I like to adjust the map. Such a dramatic tone change is more suited for careful placement on USTs, and so it's up to the user to incorporate a prefix map or not.

Mostly in the old days prefix maps weren't well known or common at all (neither was multipitch), so some of those USTs with arrows and such are products of older UTAU days. Times have changed and it's up to you how you want to format your bank.
 

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Twilight Tulip link said:
So what exactly are the Sakebi/Kire tones if not different pitches? More like append sounds?
Generally these kind of tones are different pitches (those kind specifically are high pitches), but they aren't always appropriate as pitch shifts so they should be set by hand.  A really clear example of that kind of thing comes with falsetto pitches (again Samura Tomi being the most famous example I can come up with having a falsetto pitch, though she's not the only one); falsetto pitches are definitely higher and COULD be build into the prefix.map, but doing so is ill-advised because falsetto doesn't work in every song context.  Instead, you set the pitch shifts by hand to get the effect.

I think all pitch shifts involve a change in tone, it's just a matter of how subtle it is--for instance, Halt's pitches move in a slow gradient from a soft, breathy chest voice to a clear, high head voice.  Soledi has much the same gradient, but her head voice gets sharper at the C5 tone and then becomes really choral at the F5 tone.  I still tend to adjust the pitch shifts by hand a little bit on those kinds of banks, but it's easier to make a prefix.map that guides the bank for the most part.  Then you can just adjust it when you want to.

Honestly I put Teto's Sakebi pitches into the prefix.map when I used her v_v and then adjusted when necessary.
 

Twilight Tulip

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Alright, I think I'm starting to get it. I should probably download a few of these voicebanks and start working with them to really understand. I've got Kaibara Daichi's EARTH bank, which is tri-pitch, so I'll try digging into his files a bit and comparing.
 

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