Would you say moresampler is decent at generating OTO files for VCV?

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I want to try VCV.

Is moresampler's oto generator good enough to release a VCV with, even as a beta? Or should I just oto it from scratch?
 

legolasorbraceface

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I want to try VCV.

Is moresampler's oto generator good enough to release a VCV with, even as a beta? Or should I just oto it from scratch?
I haven't tried moresampler for otoing, but if that doesn't work, then I suggest using SetParam's VCV oto generator, which does basically the same thing as far as I know. It only works when it has been recorded with GuideBGM, and it still needs to be tweeked a little bit, but it works pretty well.
I can also tell you that you definitely shouldn't do it from scratch because the one time I did that, it took me 5 months to finish a single pitch. Now, a single pitch takes me an hour and 45 minutes.
 
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cubialpha

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Moresampler oto can kind of sound decent, but it's not something I'd release. The numbers look sloppy, it doesn't stick to any standard (like 300 preutterance, 150 overlap, 350 consonant, -600 cutoff which you see in most VCV oto.ini). The numbers are crazy all over the place, it looks ugly to me and makes me concerned about it flowing right between sounds.

Set.param oto.ini estimation tool is the way to go, but even then, you want to go through and correct it by hand.
 

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From my experience, 9/10 moresampler is great at generating a decent VCV oto. I'd still go in and make sure that little bit that it messes up is fixed, but otherwise it usually comes out alright. The only thing I wouldn't use moresampler for is generating a CVVC oto because it still isn't good at automating CVVC configurations.

For VCV, though, I'd definitely recommend it over SetParam's oto generator as it comes out sounding better on the first try than the latter. I've used SetParam and have oto'd a bank for someone who used SetParam and the oto was horrid when SetParam first generated to the point where I pretty much considered doing everything from scratch.

The only time I'd think that you'd have a problem with moresampler is if you're used to using a more uniform base oto because the numbers do look alarmingly sloppy in that regard (and there is no negative number for cutoffs which really bugged me at first, but I've grown to not mind little things like that)
 
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cubialpha

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For VCV, though, I'd definitely recommend it over SetParam's oto generator as it comes out sounding better on the first try than the latter. I've used SetParam and have oto'd a bank for someone who used SetParam and the oto was horrid when SetParam first generated to the point where I pretty much considered doing everything from scratch.

The thing with set.param estimation, is that it's tempo-based. If you recorded consistently to a BGM, it will come out near perfect. If not, then it's gonna be pretty wrong. Moresampler works differently.
 

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For VCV, though, I'd definitely recommend it over SetParam's oto generator as it comes out sounding better on the first try than the latter. I've used SetParam and have oto'd a bank for someone who used SetParam and the oto was horrid when SetParam first generated to the point where I pretty much considered doing everything from scratch.

The thing with set.param estimation, is that it's tempo-based. If you recorded consistently to a BGM, it will come out near perfect. If not, then it's gonna be pretty wrong. Moresampler works differently.
Ahh, no wonder. I usually don't use an actual guideBGM when recording most of my banks. If I want my banks timed I may sometimes use a metronome, but usually I don't bother with BGMs. I can't speak for the other person I oto'd for as they never told me whether they personally used a BGM.
 

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I prefer SetParam's oto verses moresampler's. If you record with a set tempo, and you have a rough/average starting point when you record(example: a beat or two and then the start of the recorded sample), SetParam can generate pretty accurate results.
Moresampler is good as in it's fast, but it's pretty messy. Automatic endings in every sample, messed up beginning oto starts, and off sync vowel consonant otos. I feel like it has a bright future in later editions, but it's pretty choppy and limits your ability to keep the voicebank clean.
SetParam is also just a nice program to edit the oto once it generates it for you. I feel like I have to edit every sample Moresampler generates but only fix the positions when SetParam generates it.
I would say Moresampler is kinda accurate, but from what I've seen it tends to really shorten the amount of vowel you actually get in the oto. It's a lot better for Arpasing, but even then it's still rough.
I don't have any samples where I haven't edited the oto after moresampler has generated it besides Arpasing.
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If you record a VCV, you don't necessarily have to do it w/ a guide bgm, although you still wanna keep the general tempo. Then, you can use set param's auto generator and either edit it in set param or adjust it in utau itself.

Moresampler definitely cuts off too early and doesn't give you as much transitioning room and it's v non uniform and some people will try to say an edited VCV oto is better than a uniform one (although, there's a lack of evidence supporting this because it's a VCV oto, not a CV one and the transitions are natural so you don't need to mess with the overlap). I mean if it NEEDS to be edited so there's enough room and so that the green line remains on the vowel and red line inbetween the consonant vowel (or, in front of the pure vowel), then editing is ok for those samples, but, a uniform oto will sound very smooth vs an edited one.

I'd say right now, moresampler is excellent for testing out a voicebank you just recorded so you know how it'll sound, but not for a release.
 
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It I could just get aliases automatically made and set values for preutterance, overlap, and consonant, I'd be set, but I don't trust myself to record a hiragana reclist accurately.
 

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It I could just get aliases automatically made and set values for preutterance, overlap, and consonant, I'd be set, but I don't trust myself to record a hiragana reclist accurately.
I don't know if there are any OREMO setups already like this, but you could use a hiragana VCV reclist with OREMO comments in romaji, and then use OREMO's generator to get your aliases and base values.
 
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I don't know if there are any OREMO setups already like this, but you could use a hiragana VCV reclist with OREMO comments in romaji, and then use OREMO's generator to get your aliases and base values.
Awesome idea! I didn't even think about that!

On a side note, which VCV reclist is best? I would prefer one with a romaji and hiragana version, but I don't know where to start.
 

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In terms of efficiency, I would recommend checking out Suyeon's No Nonsense list in the Resource section. A lot of the older/more common lists like the 5 mora list are pretty inefficient, which is clear when you see how many strings start with [- n]. IIRC there's romaji, hiragana, and base otos.

If you'd like, I could make oremo comment files for oremo's default VCV reclists.
 
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