Tutorial Ritsu CV-VC English Tutorial

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If you don't know already, Ritsu has had a CV-VC English voicebank for a long time. The problem with it is that is uses a complete different system than normal CV-VC English which makes it difficult to use. Recently I finally learned how to use his CV-VC English and I want to share how to use it with you guys. :3
Understanding
Before you can use this voicebank you have to understand that it will probably take a while to master and you also must understand that Engrish must be combined with English. Why? Because this voicebank is actually CV-VC Japanese with English phonetics.
The Actual Tutorial
Okay let's say you want to make him say "lets go to the mall". Instead of normal [le] [ts] [go] [to] [the] [ma] [l]
it would be [れ] [ts] [ご] [つ] [thあ] [ま] [a l]. So here is how it goes. For "th" sounds you must put "th" then a japanese vowel. For anything that ends in "O" like "go" "show" you must put the Engrish forms "ご" and "しょ". For ending consonents like "al", "ar" you put "a l" for l sounds and "あr". For "n" sounds you put "ん". For the "ts", "s", and "k" sounds or "t" you put [ts], [t], [k], and . (I think [r] is a note too.) Sometimes you must check the voicebank's files to make sure he has the sounds too. I hope this helped a bit. (I'm bad at explaining things). His CV-VC English VB can be downloaded off of Canon's webpage because his normal site is down. If you wanna hear what his English can sound like here is a WIP I am doing
 

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in that preview I literally couldn't understand ANYTHING
I didn't say it was perfect and that's kind of rude. You could have said "I don't really understand it. Could you remake it?" or something like that.
 

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theres a new example. He is saying "let's go to the mall"
 

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you DO realize that CVVC doesn't always mean english... CVVC japanese is just a more advanced VCV bank...
If she actually had an english bank you'd also have proper "ii" (sit) sounds and "th" (that) sounds
 

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you DO realize that CVVC doesn't always mean english... CVVC japanese is just a more advanced VCV bank...
If she actually had an english bank you'd also have proper "ii" (sit) sounds and "th" (that) sounds
He does.[DOUBLEPOST=1420072752][/DOUBLEPOST]
you DO realize that CVVC doesn't always mean english... CVVC japanese is just a more advanced VCV bank...
If she actually had an english bank you'd also have proper "ii" (sit) sounds and "th" (that) sounds
Also it even says so on Ritsu's sit that this is a CV-VC bank with English support. Even if it isn't accurate it still has English phonetics. (It's way better than Miku English)[DOUBLEPOST=1420072867][/DOUBLEPOST]
you DO realize that CVVC doesn't always mean english... CVVC japanese is just a more advanced VCV bank...
If she actually had an english bank you'd also have proper "ii" (sit) sounds and "th" (that) sounds
And the "the" in the sample is his "th" sounds. His voicebank has "th@" "thあ" "thい" "thう" "thえ" "thお". I used the wrong "th" sound for the sample. I should have used "th@"
 

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He does.[DOUBLEPOST=1420072752][/DOUBLEPOST]
Also it even says so on Ritsu's sit that this is a CV-VC bank with English support. Even if it isn't accurate it still has English phonetics. (It's way better than Miku English)[DOUBLEPOST=1420072867][/DOUBLEPOST]
And the "the" in the sample is his "th" sounds. His voicebank has "th@" "thあ" "thい" "thう" "thえ" "thお". I used the wrong "th" sound for the sample. I should have used "th@"
well even then it's a very poorly made english bank... >_>

Honestly compared to other english banks like Yorune Mimi and CZloid, he's not really worth the figuring out anyway....

It's like Meiko V3... yeah she has an english bank, but it's so glitchy and heavily accented that even if you could get rid of it still wouldn't be good... thus why she comes with 5 banks instead of four in my opinion... to make up for the poorness of her english bank... Kaito V3, although accented, sounds good.... Just not Meiko....

Point being, just because it has an english bank doesn't mean it should be used...
 

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Just because Namine Ritsu has a difficult-to-use english bank with a convoluted file naming scheme and imperfect pronunciation doesn't mean that you get to decide whether or not a person chooses to use it. It's like trying to convince me to stop using Sonika and spend $200-something for the choppiness and accent that come with Gumi English.

There once was a fantasticly detailed guide on how to best use it, but after a good amount of searching, it seems to have vanished.
@Watakashiloid your initial guide is a bit disorganized. If there was a way for you to set it up in an understandable way that would be very helpful to people. I think you could start by having sections like how the files are named, what the new samples sound like (maybe a chart comparing Ritsu phonemes to Chezzie phonemes), and how to make workable dipthongs, then examples showing off how to handle the tricky phonetics.
 

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Just because Namine Ritsu has a difficult-to-use english bank with a convoluted file naming scheme and imperfect pronunciation doesn't mean that you get to decide whether or not a person chooses to use it. It's like trying to convince me to stop using Sonika and spend $200-something for the choppiness and accent that come with Gumi English.

There once was a fantasticly detailed guide on how to best use it, but after a good amount of searching, it seems to have vanished.
@Watakashiloid your initial guide is a bit disorganized. If there was a way for you to set it up in an understandable way that would be very helpful to people. I think you could start by having sections like how the files are named, what the new samples sound like (maybe a chart comparing Ritsu phonemes to Chezzie phonemes), and how to make workable dipthongs, then examples showing off how to handle the tricky phonetics.
kk. I'll try to clean it up a bit.[DOUBLEPOST=1420158078][/DOUBLEPOST]
kk. I'll try to clean it up a bit.
Also I remember the old tutorial. I had the link and put it in my browser and it said that it was removed.[DOUBLEPOST=1420158127][/DOUBLEPOST]
kk. I'll try to clean it up a bit.
Also I remember the old tutorial. I had the link and put it in my browser and it said that it was removed.
 

Spiffy Films

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Well, again you can use it, I'm just giving you my opinion that your efforts are kinda wasted.... especially when there's way
better english banks you could use, like Yorune Mimi or Neko.....
 

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OKAAAAAAY~ Sooooo I am trying to do this again.
Like in the original post Ritsu English is actually CV-VC Japanese with English phonetics and support. I recently learned even more about Ritsu Eng so let's try again.

Recently I discovered that Ritsu English actually uses some of the Delta English CVVC reclist. How? Well for his @ sound he uses { like in Delta. For his r sound he uses 3 and so forth. So instead of actually saying a long message I'm just going to tell you what the English phonetics are and how to use them.

3 = this is a r sound but it is very airy.
3- = this is the ending sound you use for 3 if it is it's own word.
{ = the @ sound very airy
{ - = the ending sound for { if it is it's own word
i+ = the ih sound
u+ = the uh sound in the word hoof. (to use make a "bu" then shorten it so the u+ will take up more space.
@ = uh as in hug

Okay so to get proper r's and th's you must put the r or th in front of a Japanese vowel.

Now i'm not going to tell you how to get "a v" and "a b" because if you type in romaji japanese vowels and shift right click the note a whole list of sounds like "a b" and stuff will come up and you can search for the one you want. If they don't have the one you want you have to use stand alone consonants like "s" "t" and etc
[DOUBLEPOST=1429567369][/DOUBLEPOST]for vowel transitions use VCV samples and for the l sounds you have to use the japanese r's
[DOUBLEPOST=1429567612][/DOUBLEPOST]also there is no "s{" so if you want to have a consonant you either have to use a singular consonant or use the Engrish way "se a"